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the white house on defense as he defends his travel ban, yes, calling it a travel ban this morning. new tweets out this morning as he tries to get on offense on something else, a new campaign to overhaul u.s. transportation. we have the full team here from across the country and around the world. in london, richard engel, former counter official, brian dillon, nick ackerman and here at the white house kristen welker, margaret tall live is joining us as well. richard, we have new information. walk us through the nuts and bolts and what we're getting from the police in the last couple of minutes here. >> reporter: well, what we're hearing from the police is that there have been more raids in east london which is where i am right now. they have been searching this area because they believe that one or perhaps all three of the suspects that police say they have now identified, the people who carried out the attack on
saturday night, may have come from this area. at least one of them was known to frequent an islamic center and a mosque just a few blocks from here. we went to the mosque, we spoke to a worshipper who told us that yes, in fact one of the attackers had been there, that this man said, but that he had gotten into fights with other people at the mosque because she was considered too extreme and was told to leave. we have also been told recently by an eyewitness that an american who was on the scene during the attack got caught up in the violence, that he was inside a bar, this american. the witness said he was with two other people who he described as american doctors living in london. and as the attack took place, people were sheltering inside the bar. the young american was standing by the window. and as police came in to subdue the attackers and kill them with 50 bullets, that the young
american was hit by a stray bullet, apparently hit in the head. the witness stayaid he saw the young american bleeding from around his eye but said he did not think the injury was life threatening and that the last time he saw this american man he was still conscious. >> richard engel in leng loondo the latest. i want to bring in brian dillon. you have been on the other side of this, actually doing the investigating. walk us through what the police are looking far as far as the people they have identified connected with the attack. i imagine it's their connections and interactions, right? >> that's very much the case. initially they'll identify the individuals shot by the police the other evening and looking at the immediate contacts, associates, family and so forth.
when as' saw quick arrests yesterday to bring a number of people into custody to explore who they are. then the net widens, exploring others that might be connected in the media or in the local community. there's been other activity today extending that investigation. it's an ongoing and expanding inquiry which is what i would anticipate the police would be doing. >> i want to play you what teresa may had to say this morning and then i want to get your reaction to it because it brings up something that i think uk officials are trying to get to the bottom of. listen. >> we cannot go on as we are. enough is enough. we must do more, much more to take on and defeat the evil ideology of islamic extremism that preaches hatred, sews division and promotes sectarianism. >> she is calling for new ways of looking at social media, doing internet investigating to
stop the spread of extremism. how does that look in practice, not just in theory? >> well for a long time in the united kingdom there's been a strategy to counter radicalism in communities called prevent. it proved controversial for a number of people. i think sometimes some people criticize it, perhaps unfairly. but even within law enforcement there's a recognition that perhaps the strategy needs to be reviewed and expanded. essentially what the prime minister is talking about is let's get into the strategy and have an open and honest conversation about islamic extremism in our society that is fueling hate, division, terror and violence. enough is enough. we can't carry on just tolerating violence and terrorism. and ultimately the root to solving violence rests within communities themselves. i think the prime minister is pointing towards that saying we've got to get into that, putting more work and resources
in to address the resources. >> take us behind the scenes when the third terror attack happened in three months this weekend. how do you imagine that reaction unfolded? >> i imagine it is going to be a reaction of dismay, grim determination and putting into place the contingency plans that do exist. the multi-agency plans that exist, not just with the police but with all of london's emergency services and partner to respond swiftly. what we saw the other evening was the working of that with a swift police response, but not just the police, london's fire and health organizations getting behind the operation to ensure that the casualties are responded to swiftly and appropriately. then after that a wider operation of resilience, making sure that the business community, local communities understand what is going on because there has been a step up in police patrols across the capital. >> brian dillon, former
operational head at scotland yard, thank you for joining us from london. part of this busy morning has been the president's response to the attack. even this morning he's calling it a travel ban. that is not what we heard his administration say again and again and again. listen. >> it's not a travel ban. remember. it's a travel pause. >> it's not a travel ban. >> this is not a travel ban. this is a temporary pause that allows us to better review the existing ref guy visa vetting system. >> when we use words like travel ban that misrepresents what it is. >> apparently not to president trump. kristen welker is joining us here. just in the last couple of minutes the president is going after the london mayor. we saw him do this over the last 24 hours and he does obviously call the prime minister, express his condolences, express wanting to held the allies.
yet there is a sub text of a mayor who has been afoil with him on a while. let's pull up the tweet. the president calling it essentially a pathetic excuse, this back and forth by the london mayor who had to think fast on his no reason to be alarmed statement. there's been a back and forth on this. >> as you point out, these two have clashed in the past. let's remember the original tweet. seven dead, 48 wounded in terror attack and mayor of london says there is no reason to be alarmed. the president picking up on a fragment of what the mayor of london said. he said don't be alarmed you're going to see an uptick in police presence in the wake of the terror attacks. kellyanne conway pressed on this on the today show by savannah guthrie. take a look. >> does he owe an apology to
london's mayor for quoting him in a misleading and inaccurate way. >> we've got the 23rd isis inspired or directed attack tacking innocent lives, children in manchester, children in nice and we want to know, we want to -- put some blameworthiness here on president trump. i'm not going to allow it. >> so that's the defense of the white house. i think we're going to hear more of that. sara huckabee sanders is going to brief later on today. but directing that obviously at msm, the mainstream media. this is something that the president is going to have to react to. you've seen the reaction on twitter, back off, this is someone dealing with a terror attack. the president did come out and echo the remarks that you just talked about, expressed the united states standing strong with the people of the uk. the fact that he had spoke within the british prime minister. >> as we talk about the president's statements via twitter this morning, you had a
notable interaction with him on the travel ban. to talk about that i want to bring in nick ackerman. now a partner at dorsey and whitney. thank you for being here. here's the central point i want to get at. is the president essentially undercutting his own department of justice when he says let's not use the watered down version, something that he signed essentially. walk us through the sort of legal impations of what the president is talking about this morning. >> this is an absolute nightmare for the department of justice lawyers. this is the last thing that they need, having their own client completely pull the rug out from under them on this particular issue. i mean, this is totally contrary to what the department of justice has been arguing. i've represented clients and high profile matters, prosecuted matters in high profile matters. the last thing you want to do is to be arguing your case or
arguing or talking about your case in a public forum. and particularly in social media. i mean social media has become a nightmare for lawyers dealing with clients because they just don't know when to stop. and this president clearly doesn't know when to stop. i mean he not only has undercut the department of justice lawyers but the biggest exam. is his interview with lester holt where he basely admitted to obstructing the fbi investigation. >> what we've seen in some of these sort of decisions by these other courts has been a citation of the president's words, a citation of the adviser to the president's words when it comes to this executive order limiting travel into the country. and you saw the administration fight back saying hey that's judicial psychoanalysis essentially. do you expect that this tweet should show up in some decision down the road from a judge? >> no question about it. anything that they said before,
any of the arguments that they made before in court trying to say well this was just campaign rhetor rhetoric, this was not just that he really meant, i mean clearly by virtue of this tweet it is clear this was a travel been, that by calling down political correctness that he was basically again reiterating that this was a ban on muslims coming into this country. this is going to show up in all of the legal arguments and i guarantee you that the plaintiffs in these cases are going to be inserting these tweets into their papers and using it in their oral arguments before the supreme court. there's no question. >> okay. nick ackerman right there. thank you for that perspective. i want to bring in senior correspondent more great toll o tolif. >> on the one hand you have the president undercutting his department of justice's case for the second version of the travel
pause, whatever you want to call it. at the same time you have a current issue which is that the travel ban was supposed to be a three-month period for them to -- >> reassess the administration. >> we need to figure stuff out. that time has come and gone now in the intervening months. you have a dual challenge that the opponents are going to argue, which is, number one, they had the pause and number two, they're saying it's for one reason but the president is saying it's for another reason. >> if it does need to be walked back as nick was saying, how do lawyers walk back something that the president has said and tweeted just recently. >> by not acknowledging any of those things and by sticking with their original legal premise which is what is going to happen. wu it adds distractions and other complicating factors. >> when you look at this as a whole, the president himself is coming out tweeting. it's not something that we had seen in the last ten days when we was on his foreign trip, week
before last. we're seeing it much more now. and this is all -- these are his comments that he's now making. >> that's right. and i think it speak to the challenge that his communications has, that they go out with one message and he ultimately sets the message which is very contradictory. >> he says himself he's his best messenger. >> he says his communications staff can't know what hes in his head all of the time. he's really setting the agenda and the tone on this week as we start this critical week for the president. >> margaret, i got to get your reaction too the new fact check. looking at the comments that he's made about the london tore roar attack most recently as well as others. here's the lead essentially. president trump cannot be counted on to give accurate information to americans when violent acts are unfolding abroad.
i just want to get your takeaway on that as we put it on the screen. >> there are three officials on the administration for whom this is a real concern inside the west wing, h.r. mick master, jim mattis and rex tillerson, the head of diplomacy for the united states. and for these three folks, the president's word and the word of the country has to be rock solid particularly in a time of crisis, whether it's a national security crisis or a diplomatic crisis. coming on the heels at the stops of a the g7 and nato, the president last week was trying to thread the needle when it came to climate change saying look, this is not me thumbing our nose at our allies. this is me speaking out on one specific point which i believe is a week environmental deal. this is something different and it draws back into question this broader issue of is he consistent from one day to the next and can the partners count on him. >> stick around, please. we have much more to talk about.
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traffic control kicking off what if white house is calling inf infrastructure week. a lot are looking ahead to the testimony of the fired director three days from now. the white house is working to set its own agenda. but it's also working on the pre-but l, not just for the questions on comey but the questions about russia that will come up after that. joining me now, msnbc justice security analyst jeffrey miller. thank you for being here. as we talk about what the white house is doing behind the scenes to prep for the comey investigation, they've brought in an outside council mark. >> he's represented him for
years, fraud lawsuits with trump university to a liable lawsuit against a journalist to, you know, sexual harassment claims. and there is some concern both inside the white house and also in formal advisers close to the whithouse that those skills that he has, he's known as a sort of street brawler lawyer. that's actually a phrase that i kept hearing in conversations. he very aggressive. quite similar to trump in his front footed aggressive public aspect. and there's some concern that these skills may not necessarily transfer neatly to taking on an incredibly high stakes investigation where you're effectively lined up against the national security apparatus in washington. >> i want to go to you, here. mark warner was skds aboasked as comey testimony coming up this week. here's what he said. >> is there any evidence of
collusion that you have seen yet? is there? >> there is a lot of smoke. we have no smoking gun at this point but there is a lot of smoke. >> no smoking gun. i imagine that is something you will hear from republicans over on capitol hill this week coming up. what's your reaction? >> two things. one if there is a smoking gun, it's likely the fbi wouldn't have shared it yet with the senate intelligence committee. it's something they would have held on to for their own investigation. but they may not have one either. i don't think that's what jim comey is going to testify to. he's been circumspect in not talking about the underlying investigation into what happened in 2016. what i think he's going to be asked about is what happened in 2017. how many conversations have you had with the president about the russia investigation, what did the president say and who did jim comey tell. and those questions will go to answer really the single biggest issue facing the president today, the single biggest threat to his presidency, did he commit a criminal act of justice in trying to quash the russia
investigati investigation. >> you've written a list, a good breakdown of what we know and don't know. what to people at home need to be listening to or focusing on when we're watching this hearing happen? >> i think a few things. i think number one is comey going to contradict donald trump. donald trump said that james comey told him on three separate occasions that he wasn't under investigation. it would be a real shot to the president's credibility if comey said that's not true, i would never have said that. i think one of the things is obviously elaborating on those conversations where reportedly donald trump put pressure on him to beg off the investigation. will he corroborate the leaks that came out from friends of his to the media. will he add to them? will there be more? and the other thing is the unknown. james comey has a history of
being folsom in his public statements. he's not a politically attuned player. he says things that other more political players would keep quiet. there's a lot of nervousness about what unknown of what he might have in his notes. >> despite reports that he was trying to hide in the curtains of the blue room, he's not a shrinking wall flower. >> no, he's not. we've seen damaging reports come out already. the question -- the issue of whether the president asked jim comey to pledge his loyalty. of course this question of whether he tried to quash -- asked him to back off on the flynn investigation which the president denied and comey will probably contradict on the record under oath. and is there a bigger bombshell that jim comey has held on to that he's saving thr this meeting. he's been at these big high profile meetings before and he's often saved something for the spotlight both when he confirmed the russian investigation going
bab to 2007 when he had his first big moment in the son from the bush administration. there may be a bigger bombshell that we haven't heard yet. >> thursday is the hearing. it's only monday morning. what the white house wants to be talking about is not this, frankly. it's anything but this unless they're on attack. they're trying to get on offense when it comes to the infrastructure plan. yet you have other issues that they're trying to juggle with and deal with. >> the infrastructure week makes you think this is what the presidency could have been. donald trump is a builder. this is supposed to be one of his wheel houses. and i'm sure they viewed this as a policy win that they could talk about, get surrogates on the tv to promote it. support on the hill. but we're already gearing up on comey's testimony on thursday. and to jonathan and matt's point, what we're really talking about is the credibility of the
president. you've got the tweets over the weekend and today that eat into this. and then depending on what comey says on thursday may be the dominating story of the week. >> obviously the move to privatize air traffic control is potentially a big deal. you're seeing political fallout from this on capitol hill. this could be a place where the president could point to saying look, i did x, y and z. this is stiff happening where his base lives and where his voters are. >> it could be if the whois is able to stay on message and coordinate consistently with the republican controlled house and senate and throw in just enough fairy dust to make it sellable to a couple of democrats on the bubbles in 2018. that requires consistency, organization, a plan and follow through. and it gives the president a chance to travel. the white house knows that one
of the best ways to keep the president calm and get his message out and to change the subject is to put oim out on the road in places where there's a story to tell and he has enough of a strong base where he gets the enthusiasm that bolters him and keeps him on track. it's been the president stepping on the president's plan an message. >> margaret, julie, hang out. coming up, when we come back, we're going to go back overseas. uk investigating its third terror attack in three months, all of them carried out throw low tech easy access means. why are these getting tougher to prevent? we're going to dive into that next. ahh. where are mom and dad?
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we are back now with a look at your morning headlines. in ar hour from now president trump will announce his plan to privatize the nation's air traffic control system. the move is part of this week long initiative kicking off the president's trillion dollar push to modernize infrastructure here. that means for road building, bridge building. and in pennsylvania opening statements today in comedian bill cosby's sexual assault
trial. cosby had pled not guilty, repeatedly denied all allegations. in portland, 14 people are in custody after opposing rallies on sunday. check this out. did you see this? the demonstrations coming more than a week after somebody killed by stabbing two men who tried to stop them from harassing two women. and developing overnight, five gulf nations have cut diplomatic ties with the nation of qatar. thousands of american troops with stationed in cqatar.
>> we would encourage the parties to sit down together and address these differences and if there's any role that we can play in terms of helping them address those, we think it's important that the gcc remain unified. >> and that is secretary tillerson overseas talking with allies. there. all of this has developed in the last 12 hours or so, including cutting relations diplomatically with some of these nations. i want to bring in the host of "first look." it's crucial to talk about why this is important for folks. give us the nuts and bolts. >> in a nutshell you have a country that has a different vision for the region that the other countries. you the saudis, emirates and some f their allies who are accusing the qatar government of meddling will internal affairs, supporting terrorists groups. political movements in the palestinian territories like hamas. and they want the government to
stop doing this, expel the leaders, shut down some of their news channels. they believe all of those are causing a factor of destabilization in the region and more importantly they want to see qatar stop its relationship and positions in you will with the iranian government. that's the perspective from one side, particularly the countries that have shut down the relationships. on the other hand, the government says that's not the case. they feel there's for need for pluralism in this region. they are supporting the movements because they feel they're being oppressed in their home countries. we have this crisis anthat's where things stand as of this morning. >> i want to come back to you on the political fallout and perspective. let's get over to hans nickhols. >> in the immediate fight against isis there doesn't appear to be an impact. no operational effect on the
campaign against isis. it's one of the main air bases that does a lot of surveillance and a lot of strikes against isis. we heard from secretary mattis over the weekend. here's what he had to say about it. >> i am confident there will be in implications coming out of this diplomatic situation at all. and i say that based on the commitment that each of these nations that you just referred to have made to this fight. >> hallie, i apologize. i think the sound was a little off. what we're hearing from the officials is there's no operational impact. when you look at the long term challenges that are going to take place in syria after the collapse of isis, it's focus of secretary mattis to have hand entire arab coalition working together. the rift calls into question a lot of the whole entire pan arab
approach. what secretary mattis as well as president trump was talking about when those guys were there a couple of weeks ago. >> that's exactly right. that iranian national security official was saying this morning if differences between saudi arabia and qatar are a result of donald trump's vision to the region. what's the connection? >> the connection is the policies that donald trump favored. the united air of emirates and saudi arabia are pushing the u.s. to consider the muslim brotherhood in egypt as a terrorist organization. they want to see the united states take a tougher position on iran. when president trump visited the region, you heard that theme constantly come up in the skments that he made particularly on the issue of iran being a menace and a destabilizing factor in the region. that is why the iranian official that you're siting there and others are saying this is a believe that the u.s. has their back is supporting that position and that's why they've taken a
harder tone and a line on all of the countries and players are actors in the region that may be trying to have some relationship with iran. they don't necessarily take the same positions as the saudis and the emirates, but they're not exactly allies of tehran either. they're walking a fine line with a close relationship with iran on natural gas. they share a huge oil field. qatar's position is a little different and that's upset the saudis and others in the region. coming up next, we're talking about the high-tech fight against low tech terror. how the u.s. and our allies plan to combat terrorists to use these kinds and means of attacks. that's next. ♪
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i want you to listen to what the president of russian h had to s about mike flynn, given that that is currently the subject of the fbi inquiry. >> translator: when i came to the event for our company, russia today and sat down at the table, next to me there was a gentleman sitting on one side, i made my speech, we talked about some other stuff and i got up open left. and afterwards i was told you know that was an american gentleman within he was involved in some things. he used to be in the intelligent services. that's it. i didn't really talk to him. that's the extent of my acquaintance with mr. flynn. >> edward, do you buy that? is he telling the truth, do you think? >> not in the slightest. it makes absolutely no sense that putin would be sitting down to anyone at dinner ar not be fully brief as to who that person was. shortly before general flynn was in moscow for that raush sha today dinner, he had been essentially fired by president obama and he had been a senior
intelligence official. so president putin would have certainly noin who he was and it probably would have been quite a boon for putin to have flynn there. >> let's keep on with the fact check. here's what he said about u.s.'s interference in election, not russia's. let's listen. >> translator: the united states, everywhere, all over the world actively interferes with the elections of other countries. put your finger anywhere on the map of the world and everywhere you'll hear complaints that american officials are interfering in internal electoral processes. >> with respect that sounds like a justification. >> translator: it doesn't sound like a justification. it sounds like a statement of fact. every action has an equal and opposite reaction. >> so, edward, blanket statement. legitimate or not in your view? >> completely illegitimate. here putin is trying to draw
equivalence between the u.s. democracy promotion efforts and what russia did in the 2016 election which is to directly interfere and help one candidate over another. this is a classic russia move to say everyone is guilty but at least we're not sanctimonious about it. >> it seems to be a little bit of putin's own sort of fake news pushing here from the comments that he's been making but perhaps not surprising given the tone and the attitude we've seen from vladimir putin in the past. >> taking the u.s. on vladimir putin's comments in the last several days has been he's taken a bit of a victory lap. and just the one thing i would note is during the campaign the one thing that president trump and his team consistently talked about was the possibility that there could be a better more cooperative relationship with russia. that's not what this is right now. so that's problematic. >> and what you hear in in
interview and other statements by russian officials is you're starting to understand why it is that u.s. intelligence and national security experts have long advised being very careful with the country, careful about the information that's shared because you've got a lot of people familiar with propaganda, familiar with fake statements, just making bold assertions like what you hear in the interview. and now what we're seeing is that while the trump administration may want to work more closely with russia, you're seeing that maybe caution is necessary and taking advisers more seriously with the tone there. >> on that topic, one of the things that the administration has used during the campaign, candidate trump used to justify his wanting to open up this door with moscow is the fight against terror and the idea that anybody who wants to fight isis would be an asset and an ally in that regard to the united states. given what we've heard, has that
shipped sailed, do you think? >> honestly, this was never really a novel or interesting argument that trump had made when he was on the campaign trail. for years putin has been putting out the idea of a u.n.-russian alliance to fight terror. russia has idea of wanting to do that. >> edward, thank you very much for being on this program. appreciate that perspective. we're also watching what else is happening here in washington. big developments out of the supreme court this morning. pete williams is there and that's where we're headed next. we gotta go. [ tires screech ]
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it's june, that means it is decision month over at the supreme court. and that means it's where we're going to be finding pete williams on mondays and tuesdays and every other days this month. talk us through this developments this morning as the supreme court gives us a bit of preview today. >> reporter: well today the supreme court agreed to hear next fall a big issue of digital
privacy. 40 years ago the supreme court said when you pick up the phone in your house and dial a number, you have no privacy interest in that number because after all the telephone company has to us to send you your bill. so the question is, should that same rule apply when the police want to use your cell phone to track your movements. and today the supreme court agreed to take up that case that involves a man from the midwest who was convicted of a string of robberies after the police got his cell phone records and used it to plot his movements and then testified at trial that he was near or at the locations of at least four of six robberies that he was convicted of. and the federal appeals court upheld his conviction saying the police didn't need and search warrant to get his cell phone records because you have no expectation of privacy in the numbers you use when your dial your cell phone. well, the people representing him, the aclu, said that argument should no longer prevail because the police can
tell a lot more when your phone is moving around than the phone 40 years ago that was nailed to the wall in your house or permanently wired in. that phones today are so different that that logic should no longer apply. so that's the case the supreme court will hear in the fall and decide whether the police, when they want to try to track you, need to give a search warrant first, hallie. >> pete, quickly, over the next three to four weeks here, we expect the supreme court decisions onever other big cases, right? >> reporter: right. well, the first thing is othe president's executive order. it will be at least a week before the supreme court does anything about that. the government as you know late last week asked for permission to begin enforcing the executive order while the supreme court considers whether to take up the appeal. but late last week the court gave the challengers a week to respond to the test, so nothing will happen in a while for that. but yes, the big cases pending are bans that many states have on giving money directly to churches, is that constitutional or not.
very interesting question about whether the first amendment free speech question on whether the government can ban offensive trademarks. it's a case involving a rock band from portland calls the slants and it's a great interest to the washington redskins. >> pete williams, thank you for that outside the supreme court today. i'm sure we'll be checking back in with you very soon. appreciate it. we can't let you go this hour without turning back to london where investigators know who the three suspects are that carried out saturday's terror attack. it is just the latest in a series of low-tech terror attacks in the u.k. in the last few months. i'm back with margaret and julie and joining me is msnbc's terror analyst, lake curry. you are seeing more of these attacks that don't involve a ton of, you know, high-technology, a lot of sort of very intricate and sophisticated planning. why is that? >> these are easily obtainable
items. a lot of the folks are not sophisticated in explosive building, they are not sophisticate in planning and plotting long-term. these actual attacks end up generating the same sort of pr from kind of big boom attacks. so if you're able to, you know, obtain a knife, get a car, run people across the street without any kind of training and generate the same pr propaganda needed for a terror group, you would likely use the easy option. >> obviously this raises a real prevention concern for law enforcement, right? how do police stop these attacks given they are smaller scale and lower tech? >> look, it is very difficult to intercept and thwart these attacks many times. but i think, in this case, intelligence is key. it's not only intelligence gathering but also intelligence sharing. tips from communities are extremely important for law enforcement. we have seen this in a variety of terror attack that is have been foiled throughout europe
and the united states. you know, when you get a tip from the community that someone has radicalized or become violent, take it very seriously. and we saw, we heard in this case, that at least one of those individuals, his neighbor, had called and talked about it. yet you just don't know when the individuals are going to snap, when they are actually going to plot, when they are going to execute that operation. so keeping them at somewhat under investigation is probably key in this kind of incident. >> margaret? >> i think one of the challenges or things to watch this week, jim comey hearings aside, how president trump tries to get back to the idea of signaling to americans how he intends to keep them safe, what message he wants in terms of communities, if you see something, say something, that sort of stuff. but he's also going to be facing pressure from inside his administration, his advisers, to quit it with the tweets against
the london era when they are in the maidst of crisis. so how he spreads the message of national security without showing support for the key ally in the midst of the real crisis. >> they are say, he showed support, he called the prime minister and offered condolences. >> it is just a really unusual approach for the president to take and just go at a person who is in the middle of a terror crisis. and it doesn't seem to square with his own sort of rhetoric in this country with keeping that on the front burner and training all of our horses on it, just to then go after someone who is right in the middle of the terrorist attack doesn't make a lot of sense. >> julie, margaret, thank you for hanging out with me this hour and putting up with the wind and the rain and everything else on the north lawn. >> it is beautiful. >> it is beautiful, appreciate it. we'll baa bae back with more in a moment. all finished.
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of "valshi and rule." >> we have a lot to cover, i would say. >> we are starting with the terror attack in london. at any moment, we'll learn the identities. several people were arrested in two raids. this began saturday night when the suspects rammed their vet into people on the london bridge, drove a little farther, got out, began stabbing people at nearby restaurants, seven people had died. dozens were injured. 36 people remain in the hospital today. the suspects were shot and killed by police, one eyewitness tells nbc news that an american bystander was struck by a stray bullet fired by police. that person is expected to survive. right now security is high surrounding the bridge. and it is open. officials say more needs to be done to stop future attacks. >> we have had three attacks acrosshe